DUST Search - Do you think Dust being F2P is a curse?

Michael Arck wrote:

First Prophet wrote:

Well there's your problem.

LOL I don't see one. I like to game. I'm not specifically tied to one genre or mainstream gaming. If I like it and I feel its worth it, I will pay for the experience

ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:

I think you took my super serious post too seriously brah... like serious n' stuffGäó

Well I can be a serious guy. Especially when I like to have discussions on different topics.

Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:

Yes and yes. I have discovered what ppl from EVE were claiming. The console community is a generally lower quality player base. Yes to moving this to the PC.

Free to play adds to the lol factor of this game. No investment means no responsibility which means no respect. Ppl just troll the game and in turn ppl like me that would otherwise take the game more seriously just say F it and dabble with it for general enjoyment. Having to pay a monthly fee would keep out the rabble (usually the young ppl that need daddy's credit card to play).

Oh well, whatcha gonna do? They warned us PC folk about the fast twitch FPS GTA morons. I stay because I like the world and backstory CCP has created and I like ground warfare. I esp like sci-fi based ground warfare.

You've already got ppl tearing this game down to a pissing contest about kd/r and usefulness judged on just hacking a stupid objective.
This game was supposed to be more than that and the EVE connection was supposed to do that. If CCP were truthful those promotional cgi videos would be vastly different. Seriously, do you see any hacking going on in those videos?

I agree with some things of your post. For starters, I wouldn't want it to go PC because I'm not a PC gamer. I have always been drawn to console gaming since my youth. Also about the promotional videos, its concept. Its not uncommon nor odd that developers create "a vision" of what they would like to bring. The execution always stray from that as reality of what can be done and how it can be brought to the console platform changes over time.

But I agree with everything else. F2P just brings about the troll creatures, it seems. I wouldn't mind paying subscription because I know how console gamers are and also paid subscriptions automatically help fund the project. Not only that but its a monetary symbol that the gamer wants to be a part of the experience. Not just some gamer who enters the game because its free to play and seeks to disrupt the experience of others. The majority of console gamers seem to have this mentality that the developers should submit to their demands and if not, its ultimate death for the team, for lack of better terms. (I.E. The community's take on CCP Shanghai post in this forum) We can police the developers but we cannot police ourselves?

I remember playing Atari and getting my butt whooped because the game cheated me often. Did we cry about it back then? No, we sought ways to beat the developers' pixelated hell. Nowadays, games have gotten easier with hand holding and such. Gamers were praising Demon's Souls for its difficulty as if it was the first to do it. Yet games were like that, before internet gave the power of anonymity to gamers who spat venom from their keyboards with their threatening petitions all because they refused to adapt and overcome.

Even with Dust 514, people complained about the difficulty of this universe, especially for the new players. Oddly enough, its difficulty and "no holds barred" type aspect is what attracted me to it, along with the science fiction lore. Me getting my butt whooped in New Eden was a bitter taste. But I wasn't going to let it "beat" me, so the grind began as I learned from my mistakes and still seek to improve. Why can't the gamer be challenged?

My fault for going off on a tangent. I just can't help but take a step back and wonder at the possibilities of P2P and the conduct of the community at times. I know EVE is different for so many reasons but I would like to see more dedication from the community like EVE players are with EVE. Less whining and more cohesive, constructive and objective opinions. And it makes me wonder often, if it was P2P, would that be easier realized?

All in all, thanks to all who responded and offered their input on this topic


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Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 619	Posted - 2013.10.18 23:04:00 - [1] - Quote Yes and yes. I have discovered what ppl from EVE were claiming. The console community is a generally lower quality player base. Yes to moving this to the PC. Free to play adds to the lol factor of this game. No investment means no responsibility which means no respect. Ppl just troll the game and in turn ppl like me that would otherwise take the game more seriously just say F it and dabble with it for general enjoyment. Having to pay a monthly fee would keep out the rabble (usually the young ppl that need daddy's credit card to play). Oh well, whatcha gonna do? They warned us PC folk about the fast twitch FPS GTA morons. I stay because I like the world and backstory CCP has created and I like ground warfare. I esp like sci-fi based ground warfare. You've already got ppl tearing this game down to a pissing contest about kd/r and usefulness judged on just hacking a stupid objective. This game was supposed to be more than that and the EVE connection was supposed to do that. If CCP were truthful those promotional cgi videos would be vastly different. Seriously, do you see any hacking going on in those videos?
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 620	Posted - 2013.10.19 11:23:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: First Prophet wrote: Well there's your problem. LOL I don't see one. I like to game. I'm not specifically tied to one genre or mainstream gaming. If I like it and I feel its worth it, I will pay for the experience ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: I think you took my super serious post too seriously brah... like serious n' stuffGäó Well I can be a serious guy. Especially when I like to have discussions on different topics. Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Yes and yes. I have discovered what ppl from EVE were claiming. The console community is a generally lower quality player base. Yes to moving this to the PC. Free to play adds to the lol factor of this game. No investment means no responsibility which means no respect. Ppl just troll the game and in turn ppl like me that would otherwise take the game more seriously just say F it and dabble with it for general enjoyment. Having to pay a monthly fee would keep out the rabble (usually the young ppl that need daddy's credit card to play). Oh well, whatcha gonna do? They warned us PC folk about the fast twitch FPS GTA morons. I stay because I like the world and backstory CCP has created and I like ground warfare. I esp like sci-fi based ground warfare. You've already got ppl tearing this game down to a pissing contest about kd/r and usefulness judged on just hacking a stupid objective. This game was supposed to be more than that and the EVE connection was supposed to do that. If CCP were truthful those promotional cgi videos would be vastly different. Seriously, do you see any hacking going on in those videos? I agree with some things of your post. For starters, I wouldn't want it to go PC because I'm not a PC gamer. I have always been drawn to console gaming since my youth. Also about the promotional videos, its concept. Its not uncommon nor odd that developers create "a vision" of what they would like to bring. The execution always stray from that as reality of what can be done and how it can be brought to the console platform changes over time. But I agree with everything else. F2P just brings about the troll creatures, it seems. I wouldn't mind paying subscription because I know how console gamers are and also paid subscriptions automatically help fund the project. Not only that but its a monetary symbol that the gamer wants to be a part of the experience. Not just some gamer who enters the game because its free to play and seeks to disrupt the experience of others. The majority of console gamers seem to have this mentality that the developers should submit to their demands and if not, its ultimate death for the team, for lack of better terms. (I.E. The community's take on CCP Shanghai post in this forum) We can police the developers but we cannot police ourselves? I remember playing Atari and getting my butt whooped because the game cheated me often. Did we cry about it back then? No, we sought ways to beat the developers' pixelated hell. Nowadays, games have gotten easier with hand holding and such. Gamers were praising Demon's Souls for its difficulty as if it was the first to do it. Yet games were like that, before internet gave the power of anonymity to gamers who spat venom from their keyboards with their threatening petitions all because they refused to adapt and overcome. Even with Dust 514, people complained about the difficulty of this universe, especially for the new players. Oddly enough, its difficulty and "no holds barred" type aspect is what attracted me to it, along with the science fiction lore. Me getting my butt whooped in New Eden was a bitter taste. But I wasn't going to let it "beat" me, so the grind began as I learned from my mistakes and still seek to improve. Why can't the gamer be challenged? My fault for going off on a tangent. I just can't help but take a step back and wonder at the possibilities of P2P and the conduct of the community at times. I know EVE is different for so many reasons but I would like to see more dedication from the community like EVE players are with EVE. Less whining and more cohesive, constructive and objective opinions. And it makes me wonder often, if it was P2P, would that be easier realized? All in all, thanks to all who responded and offered their input on this topic Speaking of Atari, this game is at E.T. Level atm. Lol.